Womhoops Guru

Mel Greenberg covered college and professional women’s basketball for the Philadelphia Inquirer, where he worked for 40 plus years. Greenberg pioneered national coverage of the game, including the original Top 25 women's college poll. His knowledge has earned him nicknames such as "The Guru" and "The Godfather," as well as induction into the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame in 2007.

Monday, July 27, 2015

Philly Summer League: The Scenarios for Breaking Any Potential Ties to Set Playoff Seeds


By Mel Greenberg @womhoopsguru

HATBORO, Pa. --
It all ends Tuesday night in terms of the final regular standings of the Philadelphia/Suburban Women’s NCAA Summer Basketball League with the eight teams out of the original 13 determined to launching the playoffs Thursday night in the quarterfinals at Kelly Bolish Gym. home of the AAU Renegades.

However, the final buzzer will not be the final moment because somehow some ties will surely occur and will have to be broken.

So here is what you need to know in terms of taking the floor if you are a player or parent or fan.

It could be the eight teams are virtually decided, except for one scenario exception, so it’s just the seeds to be set.

It is now determined that Ash, also known as Millersville, cannot win any tie-breakers and is not able to move up to any spot without gaining a tie.

Forest Green (4-7) has but one hope, needing to win its game at 8:15 p.m. on Court 2 against Maroon (8-3), which will be fourth seed no matter, and then hope for Black (5-6), a heavy underdog, to lose to Neon Green (9-2), being played at 7 p.m. also on Court 2, which would create a three-way seventh place tie with Red (5-7), which has the last bye and has completed its season.

In that three-way against each other they would all be 1-1 so in the next order of breaking, Forest Green owns a win over Sapphire Blue, which would be best in the group. Then on head-to-head Black would take eighth on its win over Red.

In all, there 13 potential ties for slots and 19 tie-breaking scenarios with two potential two-way ties existing for 1st place and one three-way; one two-way tie each for second place and third; Meanwhile there are two potentials for two-way ties for fifth and one three-way. Sixth place could have either one three-way possibility, two different four-way possibilities and one five-way deadlock.

There are two two-way chances for a seventh place tie and two three-way possibilities including the aforementioned one involving Forest Green, while at eighth place, the final playoff spot, there could be either one of two two-way ties or one three-way tie.

At the top, Gold (10-1), the defending champion beating Sapphire Blue (6-5) at 7 p.m. and Pink (10-1) beating Kelly Green (3-8) at 8:15 p.m. on Court 3 creates a tie with Gold gaining the No. 1 seed off its head-to-head win over Pink. Of course if one of the two suffers an upset loss, the top slot will be set but depending which team, there could be a tie for second involving either Gold or Pink with Neon Green (9-2), which meets Black (5-6) on Court 2.

Neon Green would get the second slot over Gold off last Tuesday’s upset but would yield to Pink in a two-way tie for second off its earlier loss.

Should Neon Green win and both Pink and Gold lose there would be a three-way deadlock in which there are two possibilities and while a three-way is a long shot, it is better to predetermine whether to start the procedure going with Pink beating Sapphire Blue getting the top slot because Gold and Neon Green will have lost and then Neon Green gets two over Gold off the head-to-head or Pink will have lost to Kelly Green on Tuesday to create the situation so mark that as a worst loss to drop Pink to third and then Neon Green over Gold gets the top slot.

Here, below then, are Tuesday’s schedule, a short-form look at the current standings, and then how any of the 19 potential ties would be broken.

Tues. Schedule

7 p.m.

Purple (5-6) vs. Royal Blue (0-11), Court 1
Neon Green (9-2) vs. Black (5-6), Court 2
Gold (10-1) vs. Sapphire Blue (6-5), Court 3

8:15 p.m.

Ash (4-7) vs. Orange (3-8), Court 1
Maroon (8-3) vs. Forest Green (4-7), Court 2
Pink (10-1) vs. Kelly Green (3-8), Court 3

Standings (Thru Mon., July 27)
Short Form but placed in order of current tiebreaks

Team, W-L, GB

1-Gold, 10-1 –-
1-Pink, 10-1 –
3-Neon Green, 9-2 1.0
4-Maroon, 8-3, 2.0
5-Sapphire Blue, 6-5, 4.0
6-Black, 5-6, 5.0
6-Purple, 5-6, 5.0
8-Red, 5-7, 5.5 (season completed)
9-Ash, 4-7, 6.0 (eliminated through all tie-break potentials)
9-Forest Green, 4-7, 6.0
11-Kelly Green, 3-8, 7.0 (eliminated)
11-Orange, 3-8, 7.0 (eliminated)
13-Royal Blue, 0-11, 10.0 (eliminated)

All Potential Tie-Break Scenarios

Two-Way 1st Place Tie

Gold and Pink 11-1. Gold on head-to-head 1 seed, Pink 2 seed.

Three-Way 1st Place Tie

Gold, Pink, Neon Green 10-2. To be discussed. They all would be 1-1.
If we took loss against next highest team, Neon Green and Gold losing to Sapphire Blue would make Pink top seed, then Neon Green second on win over Gold.

If we started with worst loss, Pink losing to Kelly Green would make them third, then Neon Green top seed on win over Gold, which gets second seed.

Both these scenarios real long shots but worth having commish declare ahead of time.

Two-Way 2nd Place Tie

Gold 10-2 and Neon Green 10-2, then Neon Green second seed on head to head, Gold third.
Pink 10-2, Neon Green 10-2, then Pink second seed on head to head, Neon Green third.

Two-Way 3rd Place Tie

Neon Green 9-3 and Maroon 9-3, then Neon Green on head-to-head, Maroon, third.

Two-Way 5th Place Tie

Sapphire Blue 6-6 and Black 6-6, then Sapphire Blue on head-to-head, Black sixth.
Sapphire Blue 6-6 and Purple 6-6, then Purple on head-to-head, Sapphire Blue, sixth.

Three-Way 5th Place Tie

Sapphire Blue, 6-6, Black 6-6, Purple 6-6 forces mini-league to themselves.

SB 1-1, Black 1-1, Purple 1-1. Then best win: SB over NG gets fifth, Black head-to-head over Purple gets sixth and Purple is seventh.

Three-Way 6th Place Tie

Black 5-7, Red 5-7, Purple 5-7 forces another mini-league tie-break attempt.

Black 2-0, Red, 1-1, Purple 0-2 makes Black sixth, Red seventh, and Purple eighth.

Four-Way 6th Place Tie

Scenario 1: Black, 5-7, Red, 5-7, Purple 5-7, Ash 5-7 forces mini-league tie-break attempt.

Black 3-0, Purple 1-2, Red 2-1, Ash 0-3. Black sixth, Red seventh, Purple eighth, Ash eliminated.

Scenario 2: Black 5-7, Red 5-7, Purple 5-7, Forest Green 5-7 forces mini-league.

Black 2-1, Purple 1-2, Red 2-1, Forest Green 1-2, Black sixth head-top-head with Red, which is seventh, then Purple eighth on head-top-head win on Forest Green, which is ousted.



Black 5-7, Purple 5-7, Red 5-7, Ash 5-7, Forest Green 5-7 forces mini-league breka.

Black 3-1, Purple 2-2, Red 3-1, Ash 1-3, Forest Green 1-3 eliminates Ash and Forest Green while Black is sixth off head-to-head on Red, which is seventh, then Purple eighth.

Two-Way 7th Place Tie

Black 5-7 and Red 5-7, then Black on head-to-head gets 7th, Red gets eighth and final seed.
Purple 5-7 and Red 5-7, then Red on head to head gets 7th, Purple gets eighth and final seed

Three-Way 7TH Place Tie

Black 5-7, Red 5-7, Ash 5-7 forces mini-league break.
Black 2-0, Red 1-1, Ash 0-2 eliminates Ash and Black seventh, Red eighth.

Black 5-7, Red 5-7, Forest Green 5-7 forces mini-league break.

Black 1-1, Red 1-1, Forest Green 1-1. Forest Green has win over Sapphire Blue for seventh while Black has head-to-head over Red for eighth and Red eliminated.

Two-Way 8th Place Tie

Red 5-7, Ash 5-7 goes to Red on head-to-head.
Red 5-7, Forest Green 5-7 goes to Red on head-to-head.
Three-Way 8th Place Tie

Red 5-7, Ash 5-7, Forest Green 5-7. Mini-league forces tie-break.
Red 2-0, Ash 1-1, Forest Green 0-2. Red takes eighth on record and Ash ninth in final standings.
-- Mel









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