Womhoops Guru

Mel Greenberg covered college and professional women’s basketball for the Philadelphia Inquirer, where he worked for 40 plus years. Greenberg pioneered national coverage of the game, including the original Top 25 women's college poll. His knowledge has earned him nicknames such as "The Guru" and "The Godfather," as well as induction into the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame in 2007.

Monday, May 23, 2011

Guru Update: AP Women's Poll History -- Changes In Latitudes

By Mel Greenberg

Well, since the Guru didn't make to Colorado Springs for the World University and U19 tryouts and since it is quiet for a few days in opting for some WNBA exhibition games this week, the Guru did some housekeeping on updating the AP women's poll history in terms of conference migrations and coaching movements for next season involving those who appeared in the rankings in the past.

This is more for the Guru's college media relations people who need to brag in their next media guides -- cyber or otherwise.But some of the rest of you have had interest in these matters as well as something to chat about so might as well the universal stop to give the updates.

First, for those of you who will need updated excel files from the entire AP polls here what was done. In terms of next season, Nebraska moves from the Big 12 to the Big 10 while Colorado moves from the Big 12 to the Pac-12 (formerly Pac-10) along with Utah, which is moving from the Mountain West.

BYU also moves from the Mountain West but to the West Coast Conference if the Guru read the NCAA dialogue file correctly. Boise State moves from the WAC to the Mountain West, while Hawaii moves from the WAC to the Big West Conference, which isa return.

The PAC-12 will pick up 210 appearances in terms of current conference members with the arrival of Colorado and Utah, while the Big 10 picks up 63 rankings courtesy of Nebraska. A ranking of all those will come during a slow period later this summer.

The Big 12 loses a total of 221 rankings in the current members category. The Big West picks up 46 in the move from the Western Athletic Conference from Hawaii, while Boise brings 10 appearances from the WAC to the Mountain West.

BYU takes 18 rankings with its move from the Mountain West to the West Coast.

Next year, s in 2012-13, there will be more movement, notably for now TCU to the Big East.

Also, for now pending discussion, the Guru converted current membership rankings in the Pac-10 to a Pac-12 designation but left it the previous way in the Actual Conferences at the time of the ranking category.

As for coaches, everything is done rather someone who has had ranked teams being hired at Old Dominion to succeed Wendy Larry.

The Guru will run his tracking Microsoft word file, which comes from the Excel database file,at the end of this. But on quick notes, while they remain on the all-time list, Debbie Ryan (Virgina), Van Chancellor (LSU) from his second tour of coillegiate duty, and Wendy Larry depart from those in higher categories though Larry was just below the 25 cut-off on the all-time list. Obviously, there is an extending all-time list naming all those who had ranked teams in 35 years of AP voting history by first a coaching panel and from 194-95 on media members.

There had been a 50 cut-off list to name active coaches, so in that group people move up with the departure of Ryan, Chancellor and Larry. Additionally, Charli Turner Thorn, who is taking a one year sabbatical from Arizona is being kept in place, since she is expected to return, but without an active ranking number, though a footnote explains the situation.

Also, Dan Flanagan retired from New Mexico, where he had ranked teams. Three people moved into the 50 active coaches list at the bottom, though the ranking appearances are some -- Georgia Tech's MaChelle Joseph and Montana's Robin Selvig with 23 and, oddly, Nikki Caldwell at number 50 with 21 at UCLA, though she is listed with a footnote on the move to LSU.

So given that, here is some reading matter off the Word file of coaching appearances. The frontal information will be moved once activity begins next season but it stays for now as a matter of explanation.

AP Women's Poll Coaching Appearance History

By Mel Greenberg
Women’s Hoops Guru
(May 23, 2011)


Updated file post 2010-11 season heading into the 2011-12 season prior to first poll to account for coaching changes in Division I since end of the season.

All-time list of upper-ranked coaches remains the same other than footnoting those who are now at universities beyond those they guided to rankings and those not in collegiate competition because of moves to the WNBA, non-head coaching or their passing.

Teams in parentheses means coaches had ranked teams at all those schools with the last one being the current location or the last location when ranked and a footnote as to where they are now.

Those out collegiate coaching are removed from the active list but if they return in the future, as was the case when Van Chancellor came back from the WNBA to LSU, for example, they will be re-inserted with their totals in place from where they existed.

Additionally, with Tennessee a lock to appear in the preseason poll in October, the ranking of the Lady Vols will be the 600th for the school and Hall of Fame coach Pst Summitt.

And, of course, there will be updates if necessary for coaches adding last names through marriage or those who jettison through separation.

The next paragraph is the close-of-business header from last season but all coaching names will reflect where they are as of now on the as. There will be one more update, if necessary, depending on who lands the Old Dominion job.


Quick hits on AP poll (week 19 – for coaches’ appearances week No. 19 -- Final)
(This is 613th poll after week 19). (Records on pages through week 19 -- Final, 3/14/11)

Coaches With Three Ranked Teams
C. Vivian Stringer (Cheyney-85), (Iowa-155), (Rutgers-148), 388
Jim Foster (St. Joe-35), (Vanderbilt-164), (Ohio St.-147), 346
Gary Blair (Stephen F. Austin-79), (Arkansas-67), (Texas A&M-100), 246
Marianne Stanley (Old Dominion-141), (Southern Cal-24), (Stanford*-18), 183
Lin Dunn (Miami-2), (Mississippi-1), (Purdue-130), 133
Don Perrelli (Northwestern-52), (S. Conn.-20), (St. John’s-1), 73
Tom Collen (Colorado St.-34), (Louisville-17), (Arkansas-7), 58
Sharon Fanning-Otis (Kentucky-4), (Miss. St.-48), (Tenn.-Chattannoga-4), 56
Debbie Yow (Florida-2), (Kentucky-21), (Oral Roberts-1), 24

Co-Coaches
Kittie Blakemore, Scott Harrelson – West Virginia 8
Sonja Hogg, Leon Barmore – Louisiana Tech 51
Jill Hutchison, Linda Fischer – Illinois St. 3
Jim Jarrett, Joyce Patterson – Georgia St. 1
Marianne Stanley, Amy Tucker – Stanford 18
Jim Bolla, Sheila Strike – UNLV 18

Coaches All Time Ranking Appearances
1. Pat Summitt, Tennessee – 599 (missed just 14 polls in entire AP history)
2. Andy Landers, Georgia – 460
3. Tara VanDerveer (2 schools – Ohio St., Stanford) – 407
4. **-Jody Conradt, Texas – 395
5. C. Vivian Stringer (3 schools – Cheyney, Iowa, Rutgers) – 388
6. Geno Auriemma, Connecticut – 367
7. Jim Foster (3 schools – St. Joseph’s, Vanderbilt, Ohio St.) – 346
8. **-Rene Portland (2 schools – St. Joseph, Penn St.) – 336
9. **-Debbie Ryan, Virginia – 328
10. **- Kay Yow, North Caro. St. – 326
11. **-Leon Barmore, Louisiana Tech (51-shared with Sonja Hogg) – 325
12. Sylvia Hatchell, North Carolina – 312
13. **-Joe Ciampi, Auburn – 290
14. Gail Goestenkors (2 schools – Duke, Texas) – 287
15. **-Sue Gunter (2 schools – Stephen F. Austin, LSU) – 270
16. &&-Joan Bonvicini (2 schools – Long Beach, Arizona) - 267
17. **-Marsha Sharp, Texas Tech – 264
18. **-Van Chancellor (2 schools – Mississippi, LSU) – 261
19. Gary Blair, (3 schools – Stephen F. Austin, Arkansas, Texas A&M) – 246
20. **-Chris Weller, Maryland - 227
21. **-Theresa Grentz (2 schools – Rutgers, Illinois) – 225
22. Muffet McGraw, Notre Dame - 216
23. Sherri Coale, Oklahoma 193
24. **-Marianne Stanley (3 schools – Old Dominion, Southern Cal, Stanford*) – 183
25. **-Paul Sanderford (2 schools – W. Kentucky, Nebraska) – 182
26. **-Marian Washington, Kansas – 176
**-Not in college or not in as a head coach

Active Coaches-All Time AP Ranking Appearances

1. Pat Summitt, Tennessee – 599 (missed just 14 polls in entire AP history)
2. Andy Landers, Georgia – 460
3. Tara VanDerveer (2 schools – Ohio St., Stanford) – 407
4. C. Vivian Stringer (3 schools – Cheyney, Iowa, Rutgers) – 388
5. Geno Auriemma, Connecticut – 367
6. Jim Foster (3 schools – St. Joseph’s, Vanderbilt, Ohio St.) – 346
7. Sylvia Hatchell, North Carolina – 312
8. Gail Goestenkors, (2 schools – Duke, Texas) – 287
9. &&-Joan Bonvicini (2 schools – Long Beach, Arizona) - 267
10. Gary Blair, (3 schools – Stephen F. Austin, Arkansas, Texas A&M) – 246
11. Muffet McGraw, Notre Dame – 216
12. Sherri Coale, Oklahoma – 193
13. Kim Mulkey, Baylor – 169
14. Joanne P. McCallie (2 schools - Michigan St., Duke) – 147
15. Melanie Balcomb (2 schools – Xavier, Vanderbilt) – 145
16. Bill Fennelly, (2 schools – Toledo, Iowa St.) – 131
17. Kristy Curry (2 schools – Purdue, Texas Tech) – 124
18. Doug Bruno, DePaul – 121
18. Brenda Frese (2 schools, Minnesota, Maryland) – 121
20. %%- Joe McKeown (2 schools – New Mexico St., George Washington) – 116
21.)))-Chris Gobrecht (Washington) - 104
22.@@@@- Cathy Inglese (2 school, Vermont, Boston College) – 98
23. !!!- Jane Albright (2 schools – N. Illinois, Wisconsin) – 96
24. Debbie Patterson, Kansas St. – 91
25. Kurt Budke (2 schools -Louisiana Tech., Oklahoma St.) – 80
26. Pam Borton, Minnesota – 75
XX. Charli Turner Thorne, Arizona St. – 74 (On sabbatical in 2011-12)
27. ###-Joanne Boyle, California – 60
28. Tom Collen, (3 schools, Colorado St., Louisville, Arkansas) – 58
29. Sharon Fanning-Otis (3 schools – Tenn.-Chattanooga, Kentucky, Miss. St.) – 56
30. Sue Semrau, Florida St. – 55
31. ***-Kathy Olivier, UCLA 52
32. ^^^-Kevin McGuff, Xavier – 50
33. Mike Carey, West Virginia – 47
34. Bonnie Henrickson, (2 schools -- Virginia Tech, Kansas) – 45
35. Harry Perretta, Villanova – 44
36. Suzy Merchant, Michigan St. – 41
37. Jeff Mittie, TCU – 38
38. Agnus Berenato (2 schools – Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh) – 37
39. Lisa Stockton, Tulane – 34
40. $$$- June Daugherty (2 schools – Boise St.,Washington) – 32
41. Nell Fortner (2 schools – Purdue, Auburn) - 30
42. Terri Williams-Flournoy, Georgetown – 29
43. Lisa Bluder (Drake, Iowa) – 28
44. () - Dawn Staley (Temple) – 26
44. Connie Yori (Creighton, Nebraska) – 26
46. Sharon Versyp, Purdue – 25
46. Jeff Walz, Louisville – 25
48. MaChelle Joseph, Georgia Tech – 23
48. Robin Selvig, Montana – 23
50. ///-Nikki Caldwell (UCLA) - 21

&&-Active at Seattle; )))-Active at Yale; $$$-Active at Washington State.; %%-Active at Northwestern; () - Active at South Carolina; !!!-Active at Nevada; XX-Active at Seattle; @@@@-Active at Rhode Island; ()()-Active at Michigan; ###-Active at Virginia; ^^^-Active at Washington; ///-Active at LSU.

-- Mel

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